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have been allowed back home. i spoke with one woman a short time ago and she said i'm so glad it's over, you can imagine what it's been like for them. meantime, doesn't look like any investigation going on inside right now, but yesterday quite busy here as they worked to disarm what they are calling a sophisticated net wok of bombs inside the building. authorities found a waist-high trip wire at the door. 30 improvised grenades and three jugs of some kind of improvised napalm. they designed the bombs using a remote-controlled robotic device. we could hear a small blast outside here yesterday, and they also worked to preserve what's going to be used as evidence in the case against them as they continue to build that. last night, the fbi left here with what looked like a laptop and hard drive, and they also are saying that they have found evidence inside the apartment
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that shows this was calculated and deliberate both in the shooting and arming this apartment here with that network of bombs, melissa. >> kristen, thank you so much. undoubtedly, what we have seen since this tragedy as horrific as it is, is still some of the best news you can magiimag manl, that they could disarm that without further loss of life. >> let's bring in craig meeks and jonathan alter. thank you, both, for being here. we're starting to get to a point a couple of days since the tragedy where we can start to think about what it means more broadly. obviously, the president is going to colorado today. going in his role as president to comfort families, but when will this turn to a polyconversatiopol policy conversation? will the president have a discussion about gun control? >> i don't think it's likely,
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but i think he should think about doing that after a certain period of time has passed. it wouldn't make any sense to begin that conversation now. a certain period, whether u.s. a day, a week, two weeks, i think he should at least consider trying to address the issue, put it in larger context it has been seen too explosive, not to make a pun, to do. >> yeah. >> i remember seeing then-senator barack obama not long after he gave his famous race speech in philadelphia, and i was on the campaign plane, and i was in a shooting. these happen quite often in the united states, and i said would you, consider, senator, giving a speech on gun violence similar to what you did on race? will you try to thoughtfully reason your way through the various complexities of the issue. he said, yes, i am thinking about that. he did not do that at the time. since then the politics have sort of suggested that it's
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impossible for anyone to do that, but i do think it's a leadership moment, melissa. in other words, a true leader takes on something that might be very controversial and i don't think it would necessarily hurt him as much politically as everybody assumes, the key swing votes in the suburbs aren't necessarily strong second amendment types. >> we remember the exquisite speech he gave following the shooting involving congressman gaby giffords. obviously, this is a very particular tragedy that focuses our attention, but the vast majority of gun violence happens one victim at a time, often in our cities and often those that are represented by congressional black caucus members. i know you pretty regularly introduce bills to try end to gun violence.
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will you on the back of this tragedy say it's time to talk about assault weapons bans. >> congress definitely has a role and has to step up in that regards. and i think we need to make sure it's also the education of the american people. often times, we have these fights in congress. with individual with liberal gun rules. the assault bans weapon it seems that it makes common sense not to have assault weapons. we could not extend it after it expired, and the american people, people talk about the nra, but it's people who elect individuals based upon the position they take. i find members of congress, some of who, you know, would say that they are not for assault weapons, for example, but they represent their constituencies and, therefore, they are voting,
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dista distant. because if they didn't, they wouldn't get re-elected. we have to understand that what is good for the country? and clearly having the kind of laws that some states have. what took place here, you have an individual can thaw can buy guns. >> and all of the ammunition from the internet. it field like that another political story, one is the gun control one that is tough. a second amendment piece, the nra, bradys came out with a very powerful statement saying we need to address this. for me, it was watching that chief of police, the speed at which he's able to respond, the quality of his response, and then reading in on him and learning that that locality, that aurora, colorado, right now considering budgets cuts in its police force, and i thought, wait a minute, this finally a chance for to us talk about the need to make sure localities have sufficient funds for first responders?
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like even beyond the guns? >> i don't actually think in most community the first responsers are under some of the intense budget pressure that a lot of people think. >> i mean, camden, stockton, detroi detroit. >> a lot of the has to do with strategies they use. guns, the mr. rhys strongest advocates of gun control. a lot of democrats have missed is that they should be really working in collaboration with police, when they speak about gun control, they should be surrounded by police. if you get all of those people involved it helps protect people politically, who are trying to take chances in congress before the law changes, the conversation has to change, we can't really expect to get -- to get changes in the law. we can end the gag order.
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the nra can impose on our national conversation. we can't even talk about it, so this is an opportunity to say, you know what? we are going to talk about this. we're not going to let you silence us. >> an example of maybe what should happen, and i'll talk to my governor about it, and mayor bloomberg has been -- >> very, very strong on this. >> is, you know, maybe to take a state like new york to sue a state like georgia or a state like virginia or a state like north carolina, because when you look at the number of crimes in new york that have taken place with guns, and you track those comes and come from states like georgia, virginia, or north carolina. therefore, maybe to begin to have a conversation, maybe there should be a lawsuit that will start a broader conversation. the conversation has to start. absolutely right. >> i very much like this idea. certainly we saw attorney
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generals of conservative states willing to take on governments, and their willingness to address affordable health care. i like the idea of moving that progressively. >> interstate commerce, maybe we can drive into the court system, get to the supreme court, and make it part of the conversation for america. >> let's make sure that supreme court we get it in front of is not mitt romney's supreme court. absolutely. >> we have a lot of conversation left to have. coming up, london olympics five days away. i'm an olympics fan and representatives all over the world meet in one place, you can bet politics part of the equation on sports and activism, next. [ female announcer ] chair climbing isn't a professional sport,
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the wait is almost over. this friday, the 2012 summer olympics begin in london. the olympics are a time when athletes around the world gather in competition. the ultimate test of hard work, training, and sacrifice. the coveted prize? a gold medal. no, you haven't turned into a proemsal commercial. i will make a claim that a on tus bugs on sports belongings on nerdland. even thoughalitythoughality ath competition is supposed to be not political, we have found it not the case. members of the israeli team held hostage by terrorists and left 11 members of the israeli team, 5 palestinians and a german
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police officer dead. in 1980, the u.s. did not field a team. the soviets boycotted the 1984 games. and it was one of the final skirmishes of the cold war. not all moments are somber. there are individual or team athletic performances that can be political and triumphant. the iraqi soccer team qualified for the 2004 olympic games after years being brutalized, fell short of medaling, but their presence on the field was a victory in and of itself. then there was jesse owens, the summer of 1936 summer olympics, the world was on the link of world war ii, jesse owens humiliated adolf hitler by winning four olympic gold medals and in a year of unprecedented policy attacks right here at home, for the first time, women outnumber men on the u.s. olympic teams.
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there are also moments that make an impression and stay with us forever. the instances in which athletes become political with one single action. in 1 the 68 bronze medal winner john carlos made the statement heard round the world. he stepped onto the podium wearing black socks, no shoes and a raised black glove fist. we were impoverished and disenfranchised. athletes can be more than their sport. there is no other than olympic bronze medalist john carlos and donna deverona, former olympic gold medalist, dave zarin. thank you for being here. have you been hanging on my bedroom wall since i was a little girl.
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because that statement, that moment, is one that i think has resonated for so many of us that have considered our work to be political work in this country. take me back to that moment, you're a very young's let athle. why do you make that choice? >> it was necessary to make the choice. i grew up in the streets of new york, in harlem in particular. i saw the change. white flight as a kid coming in. the prejudice start to sneak in various agencies in new york. unfair housing, unfair education and at the same time, i saw a quandary of people that didn't really know how to deal with the situation they were involved in. they didn't know how to deal with prejudice that was being thrust upon him. they didn't know how to deal with the police, when the police would come in and do various things. i realized someone needed to take a stance. we have a tendency to sit back and wait for someone total do it, not collectively think as a
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group we can make this change. i felt from very early age that someone has to be strong enough and wise enough to make a stance that will encourage people to find the fire within themselves to stand up for what's right and just. >> not without cause. deep personal cost to you on the other side. >> when you sit back and think about making change, sacrifice necessary to make the change, you know, think about the war right now. people are giving cost, their lives. my life is no more important or less important than their lives. fighting for this country. fighting for this country the same. i wasn't concerned about cost as much as i was making sure that when i leave, a leave a better world behind. >> no question that statement has -- it just resonated throughout time. i wonder as i ask about cost and sacrifice. something about olympic athletes, given such a long time horizon, you are sacrificing personally at all points for
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years to get to that sport. if, in fact, olympic athletes might be particularly well suited for an understanding of what that sort of sacrifice looks like. >> i think what olympics represent is a global gathering of athletes all over the world. we speak the common language. none of the athletes want a boycott. we tried a massive fight against it. we went to washington, is we were called spoiled. athletes themselves don't want to see discrimination. we've all paid the same price to get there. some of us do better by winning gold medals. very few of us make money. i was there in 1968 during the protests, and i remember the price john paid and his teammates paid for standing up. at that time, abc was covering the olympics and luckily we had ruin ar lidge as president, and as u.s. olympic committee outsted john, we said come over to the hotel, let's talk about it, and howard cosell did the
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interviews that was ongoing dialog. i remember being in the '60 owe limg picks, standing next to will measure rudolph, and we weren't talking about civil rights. i was working in the inner city with my teammates, trying to go into the inner city and encourage young people. '68 was a tipping point. enough wasn't getting done at the time. what john did took courage and he's paid a huge price for it. >> amazing, to say in '68, enough wasn't getting done. that's after the passage of the '64 civil rights act, '65 skroetiskroet i voting rights act and athletes could be part of change. wilma rudolph, you are and were olympicly a swimmer. >> right. >> this year, we've seen a record number of swimmers of color on this olympic team. these african-american swimmers
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represent -- there is sort of black folks don't swim stereotype in the world and even though they are not overtly political, just their presence kind of changes the idea of what the sport is. >> if you look at lia neal. my adulthood has been in new york. a group of us decided we needed a 50-meter pool in new york city, because we wanted to produce olympians. and public and private funds would support the asphalt green project. those of higher economic privilege can work together with those that -- maybe couldn't afford the pool or the training, and so lia neal is our first olympian out of the asphalt green project. it's the old statement, build it, they will come. we felt african-americans would do well in the sport, but it's been a middle class, upper class sport and desegregation happened, we closed all those
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big pools. my olympics at astoria pool, they put the 50-meter pool in. where are you going to learn to swim? get that option? >> there is a great irony to this discussion, because john carlos' dream was to be an olympic swimmer and he was unable to do some of. >> because you didn't have the resources available in your community? >> no, because of the color of my skin it wasn't resources. my dad said where would you train, son. you can't join the clubs, you can't swim in the public pools, you can't go to the ocean. where would you train? you can't go to the harlem river, you lose too many of your friends ever summer? >> that's the first that i knew we had discrimination taking place. my dad reminded me, he said, john, you and your buddies go up to harbor ridge pool and jumped in, what would happen? my father would swim like a rock straight to the bottom. he knew what was going on. and i just reflect, and as soon
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as we hit the water, the white folks would call their kids, billy, bobby, betty, out of the water, hurry up. it blew me away. and at the same time, you are all putting suntan lotion on trying to look like me. >> i love you. that is -- that is a brilliant insight. that pools really were kind of a fundamental public battleground around the issue of jim crow and racial integration and the idea you become bronze medalist in part because of the swimming. and, then, of course, civil rights heroes for all of us. >> my dad said, john, will you let this stop you? and i said, no, pop. i just have to find another way. you can look back at harry belafonte, he used the state of his interviews in the past. he had the same situation in his day to the point where he would go to a make hotel, and they would tell you there are two things you don't do. you don't go to the restaurant, you don't go to the pool.
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>> up next, we'll continue on sports and politics. instead of feel good of the olympics, we'll talk about the penn state scandal. there is a lot breaking right now. we'll have it, after the break. ♪ i'm making my money do more. ♪ i'm consolidating my assets. i'm not paying hidden fees or high commissions. i'm making the most of my money. and seven-dollar trades are just the start. i'm with scottrade. i'm with scottrade. i'm with scottrade. and i'm loving every minute of it. [ rodger riney ] at scottrade, we give you commission-free etfs, no-fee iras and more. come see why more investors are saying... i'm with scottrade.
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like head coach joe paterno, failed to act. paterno is the coaching legend, winning a record of 409 games in nearly 46 years at pep stas pen. his legacy continues to take hit after massive hit. most recently, louis freeh, the former fbi director condemned the lack of action shone by paterno and other penn state administrators. >> our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of sandusky's child victims, by the most senior leaders at pep state, the most powerful men at penn state failed to take any steps for 124 years to protect the children who sandusky victimized. >> in light of these new find g findings, the drum beat to erase
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paterno's presence has been growing louder. the decision was announced by penn state university president was announced this morning that the statue of paterno at penn state would come down. i now believe that it has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing of our university and beyond. i believe that the statue would be a recurring wound no those who have been the victims of child abuse. to break that down and tell us more about what's happening at penn state, john carlos, donna did i varona, janelle hill. dave. >> this is the most rapid and violently dramatic fall from grace in the history of american sports. you think a year ago, joe paterno was on the mt. rushmore of what sports are supposed to be all about, and now his statue being taken down.
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it says something about the place that i think child abuse, child molestation, has in the national consciousness as just being a horror of the likes which there is no excuse for. a lifetime of good deeds means nothing compared to shielding someone who did that. my great concern is in the wake of louis freeh's report focuses so much on those already indicted and on joe paterno, who already passed away, i want to look at the rest of the board of trustees. i want to look at governor tom corbett, for who two years sat even t on the allegations of jerry sandusky while continuing to raise money. >> it's important to point out this is a state university. it has implications -- that's why the governor is part of this narrative. >> the governor sits on the board of trustees. there is a growing drum beat to say tom corbett, have you things to answer to. louis freeh, a faithful, decades
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long lieutenant of powerful people. and very easy to pile on those already indicted or passed away and not look at those who might still be accountable. >> in part i think you're right. this fall from grace seems to be from the sense in this kind of action, sexual abuse of vulnerable kids is too far, too much, too horrible to be count nance, but if we were to step back and ask if maybe not about the most heinous crime, but the way division one sports programs have predatory relationships on everything from land grabs in their community, sometimes even on their own campuses. >> i make this connection and a lot of people at fmu didn't like it, between what's going on with the hazing death that they are dealing with, the drum major robert champion, whenever have you so many universities have institutions or some part of that university that has become bigger than the university
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itself. at penn state, it's football. at fmu, it's the marching band. the most difficult aspect to address is the systemic failures that lead to these decisions being made. maybe we don't see another controversy as heinous and grim as what happened at penn state, but the same types of actions. at ohio state, you had jim tressel who willingly lied because he wanted to win football games by protecting student athletes. we have to look at these moral failures, where do they come from, and why? >> money is incull pated here. part of the olympics narrative is about amateur athletes for the most part, but it feels like there is so much money here, it feels like part of what's going on. >> it's power and money, you look at the legacy of joe paterno, and a tragic legacy, lifetime of winning and then this denial.
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that's what happens when there is money and power involved, people get into the greater good. oat olympic community deciding and the collegiate community deciding get into drugs and sports. the tour de france. we knew it was going on in our day, that athletes were cheating. let's look at bush opportunity and athletics commission. i was part of that. let's look at the opportunity and athletics division. it came down from division one athletic director, we're heading for a train wreck, no control on big-time sports, and the other focus was trying to lessen the impact of the guidelines as it applies to title nine and the opportunity for women in sport. this is really civil rights legislation applied to education. no word about sport in this. if there is a legacy and very sad, this should open up the whole discussion about exploitation of athletes and at the same time, we exploit them, we enable them so when they are done, they fall through the black hole. what's next?
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naturally, being a political scientist and a huge sport fan, i love to see the two mix and when i don't have to harken back to jesse owens, mohammed ali and john carlos to do some of steve nash gives his feet suns teammateses to wear their los suns jerseys to protest sb 1070. 2011, from wh san francisco giants release a video for the nonprofit it gets better project, speaking out against homophobia and bullying.
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shortly thereafter, a number of other pro baseball teams, including red sox, rays and phillies follow suit and this spring and the eventually nba champion miami heat catch heat for paying tribute to the late trayvon martin of this picture in their hoodies tweeted by lebron james. athletes, particularly professionals are often derided for not taking a stand in a very political time in our country. is that fair? joining me again, olympic medalist john carlos and donna did i varona. i'm fine with athletes not telling me who to vote for, but something about the human rights aspect of the, sb 1070, your moment around poverty and racism. the idea of the trayvon martin solidarity, that where sports stars can take that moment to take a political stand? >> i look at athletics as part
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of the human element. we're human beings before we're athletes. very difficult to be an athlete and looks at what you left behind. you have to look back and remember there were other kids that might not be the superstar, might be a genius in terms of being a heart surgeon. your idea is to make sure this kid has equal protection to get a decent education to have decent housing to have a meal in his stomach at night. you can't live and ride on superstar dom. are you not a true superstar if you are just concerned about self. >> a real responsibility there. >> well, i think the truth is, a lot of athletes are under the radar, they don't have the visible platform. they are a tiger woods. out there doing great things. gary hall senior, involved in something called walk fit, trying to get schools to just walk in the morning, because they don't have p.e., and enlisted hundreds of olympians around the country. you have anita defrance, title 9
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collar, walkon in rowing, won a bronze medal pro tested against boycott. she is now chair of the women in sport olympic committee. what's happening in london? women are involved in every sport. every country is participating, she devoted her life to it. >> an 8-month pregnant malaysian athlete woman going to be there at the olympics eight months pregnant, which i kind of love. true story. >> and nancy hogg, billie jean founded with all of us, consistent on title 9. trying to get the usoc to put language in for protection for athletes which address the last discussion we had about exploitation of athletes. >> john carlos is an awesome guy, but he didn't come down from planet awesome. there was a thing called black freedom movement. the miami heat didn't say let's put on hoods and do something
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controversial. walkouts at over 40 south florida high schools alone on behalf of justice for trayvon before they did that. >> that's right. >> mohammed ali was cass yus clay, the dream to bring the showmanship of professional wrestling into boxing, no more, no less. what happens in the street is crate call to the kinds of things that athletes do on the medals stand. >> they are human and citizens and part of it, they become part of it. >> but the problem is, it is such a liability to the majority of professional athletes to take a political stand. there are plenty of athletes doing things in private. but the one that does have the spotlight like lebron james or tiger wood, the reason they don't feelist in their best interest, we make it difficult. look how scrutinized lebron james was without doing anything political. >> and michael jordan, who refused to -- and like i said, you know, him staying out
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electoral politics, when he refused to endorse harvey gant, he says republicans buy shoes too. >> he gave an athletic legacy that taught athletes to be benign. all following from his example, because he didn't believe in getting involved, not just politically, he didn't believe in saying anything and he made a lot of money, and they all look at that and said you know what? i'm going to follow michael jordan. he showed me the way. i'm not sure that's a positive legacy to lead. >> when they talk about it's exciting, interesting, it's exactly because it is a liability. we do recognize they are taking a risk. the time in the spotlight is so short. that's what makes it different from george clooney saying something. he will make another film in ten years. an athlete has a limited window in which to use cultural capital. when they do it, we notice. >> i will encourage folks at
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home if they don't know your whole story, and you dave penned this book together, "the john carlos story" it's indicative of exactly what it takes to have the bravery to take that moment. thank you so much for being here. thank you, donna. thank you, john. thank you to dave and jameel. it's lovely to have this conversation with you. up next, former south african president nelson mandela's birthday this week. a reminder of how his struggle changed our politics is next. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ] [ dog ] we found it together. on a walk, walk, walk. love to walk. yeah, we found that wonderful thing. and you smiled. and threw it. and i decided i would never, ever leave it anywhere. because that wonderful, bouncy, roll-around thing... had made you play. and that...
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release from prison, still years shy of the 27 years he spent behind bars. he was elected president of south africa in the first multirace elections. years before, it was the oppressive politics of the apartheid regime that rallied people for the cause of equal justice in south africa. americans demanded economic sanctions on an unjust government an ocean away. we took a look in the vault and found this clip from nbc nightly news in 1986. >> on the berkeley campus today, more than words flying as anti apartheid demonstrators battled with police. symbolic south africanan shanties put up by demonstrators were torn down by university workers as a fire hazard. the demonstrateors counteracted with bottles, rocks and garbage
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earlier this month, the world's youngest nation, south sudan, celebrated its first year of independence, after decades of civil war which cost the lives of 1.5 million people and displaced hundreds of thousands, south sudan became an independent nation. more than 300,000 south sudanese have returned home since the official end of the war, refugees continue to seek shelter in the country today as border disputes persist. the economy of both nations relies heavily on oil production, much of the disagreement centers around the contested oil field, 3/4 which
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lie in the south sudanese territory. but south sudan is lan locked. so leaders of both nations were going to sign an agreement before the august 2nd deadline. however, south sudan announced yesterday they are canceling direct talks with sudan, accu accusing them of carrying out new air strikes, while the sudd scarceity continues. one is south sudanese supermodel alec wek who traveled on behalf of the u.n. relief agency. she is here with me. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i wasn't sure if folks could see on that map, the south sudanese, where you were born, it's it's own independent nation, one year old, but in order to get the oil, that -- that resides there, out for trade or anything else, it's got to move through sudan, which
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means moving through north sudanese pipes and this is really where the dispute is, correct? >> no, absolutely. i mean, the situation is just become much more not just complex, but like i said, i mean, growing up in south sudan, getting born and raised and well just like any child, i enjoyed having friends from different tribes and so forth and then the war broke out and it became really terrible, we lost our father. there were nine of us, but then it divided us. all of a sudden, are you looking at each other, this your enemy, this not? literally, we are the same people. i think it's like the oil it's -- it's a blessing, but also it's a curse. and i'm not into politics, but i think in order to do anything,
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there needs to be peace and going back for the one-year anniversary of the independence, i never thought that would come growing up in the civil war. you know, running with thousands of people towards the bush looking for refuge. it was really, really profound. going back, i realize i was like the only way we coreally conquer this as a nation, i mean, the u.s. took 200 or so to have independence in a really profound way and have become a part of that. but i think just for one year, how much sudan, south sudan has gone so far, how much it's evolved. >> right. there's been a bit of a conversation on one hand. one year of independence, you talk about -- i've read a bit
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about your own personal very harrowing story of escape in the context of civil war. >> right. >> but if you go back today, you are just back, still jet lagged just back, that the need to seek refuge, some of that human suffering is just as real, particularly around the border disputes, as it was previously, before independence? >> no. absolutely. like i said, you know, it's a new country which means new nation, new government, new everything. you have to consider there is going to be challenges. and i think when muslims get too overwhelmed50% of the nation, the youth, i always believed in education, my father worked, board of education. my mother worked. they say what did your mother do? she worked, not just full time when she clocks out. she took care of nine of us. five girls and four boys.
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>> we were chatting just before we came on air, your mother is living now in london, but actually now you have an independent nation in south sudan is interested in going home, heading back. what does it mean to have been sent a certain way for exiled, who did flee? a home to go home to? >> it's very overwhelming, you can't just -- i met with a governor when i went back with ohcr. i went to the fields and seen the returnees, i've seen the refugees, you know, coming back to safety, and like having water up to here and they have to carry their children up. if not, they would drown. it was so touching, watching an 83-year-old woman when she should be enjoying her fruits, but, yet, her sons have died and she has to take care of her
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grandchildren, and she didn't have any hate. like i wish you could grow up like the age i am and even more. that was so profound for me. it really moved me. so i think the future is to have the infrastructure to have children educated. you can't make any decisions and you can't get along with anybody if you -- >> well you make that move. you're talking about sort of what's possible in the future. we'll talk more about that when we come back, more with model and activist alec wek in a moment and more on africa and america and the continental divide. why should our wallets tell us what our favorite color is? every room deserves to look great. and every footstep should tell us we made the right decision. so when we can feel our way through the newest, softest, and most colorful options... ... across every possible price range...
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complex. particularly for those whose identity and history straddled the atlantic, even our name is complicated. when european slave traders brought human chatle to the americas, they arbitrarily branded them negros. an english word derived from spanish which means black. those who could, resisted the name, calling themselves african, in 1987, they said we the free africans and the descendants of the city of philadelphia. the white racist colonization soda organized to send free black men back to africa in order to protect their pace innent claims on citizenship, african was dropped in fave of colored. that's why in its founding in 1909, the oldest civil rights organization calledist the
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national association of the advancement of colored people. in 1930, the naacp campaigned for news organizations to use negro with a capital "n." think of martin luther king jr. dekraring the negro is still not free. in the military movement that followed, young men and women demanded black pow and said it loud. i'm black and i'm proud, right? a movement began to refer to black folks as african-american, linking folks to a global identity. black tells you about skin color and what side of town you live on. african-american evokes discussion of the world. two decades later, america's first black president is undeniable african-american, but is he not the descendant of colored people known as negros.
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so in the era of an obama presidency, how do african-americans understand historic and cultural ties to the couldn't nentinent and what difference does it make to politics? here is south sudanese activist and supermodel alec wek gregory meeks, and mark quarterman, for the enough project to end jen jo side and michael ralph, professor at new york university. thank you, all, for being here. i greatly appreciate it. congressman meeks, i. my first politics being anti apartheid politics, a time when i felt like young activists really understood what was going on in south africa because it napped on to the american experience, glad white people
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and good block people that needed to be free of jim crow. this does not map easily on. how do we develop a since of attachment, connection, and advocacy for the continent? >> i think if you look at the opportunities for the continent to groi, it is now moving. if you look at gdp, 5% increase. this opportunity to see it grow and be successful. the next level is important for young every african-americans. individuals that i talked to, they are talking about what business can i do? how can i be more helpful to different countries in africa? i may have a product or new technology that will help them. create jobs in africa, but also create opportunities here. >> turn a profit. >> that's exactly right. but looking at those interske interconnections. when i talk to african nations, they don't understand handouts, they want to be part of a global population. they want to step up. that is the connection we can
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make now, and we can see. for myself, one of the things i did, because i still wanted to know where i came from, i took the dna testing to find out i came from sierra leonne, part of the mendi tribe. i think you see more young people either, my daughters, for example, they were glad they were part of the motivation, the reason why i wanted to have dna testing. that will connect us to the continent. >> interesting to hear the congress talking about dna testing. i have often felt a little trepidation that that's how we find our identity. but it's important, we're cut off from specific african history. we have mythical africa, as opposed to this is my home, this is the place i can name. >> the intentional paradise that defines african-american experience in relation to africa. some people always wanted to
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know where in africa they might be from and felt a sense of longing. i think some level dna testing presents what's understood to be an opportunity. dna testing is also a statistical projection. not always necessarily accurate. from different testing agencies you might acquire different results. some don't want to know precisely where they are from. not knowning creates a sense of solidarity for the african continent as a hole. >> a panafrican. >> people don't know exactly where they are from and feel like all of africa is fair game. >> how much of a different does it feel that people who are doing work, policy work, ngoo work on the ground to have within the americas an advocacy on or identity group that would say this is in our agenda. all of the domestic issues of
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african-american and the promise facing us here to. >> it's extremely important, but africa has never really had a mobilized constituency in the united states. i've been working on africa related issues since 19812 and talking about this issuing why aren't african-americans more mobilized? there was that period that you talked about previously with the anti apartheid movement. when we could relate to what was happening to black south africas. the apartheid regime was segregating blacks. it was carrying out violence against them. a racist regime. >> it looked like -- captown looked like mississippi. that felt like it made sense. >> that's absolutely right, there hasn't been an organized, mobilized large still went. americans have been rather insular in the way they look at
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the world. they have looked inward rather than outword. specific reasons. we were fighting for citizenship here. for identity here, and weren't looking overseas. but all things come together. >> you have bono and george noony and it feels like there is a way where there are some very identifiable, often white celebrity faces that are seeing, you know, george clooney is there, brad pitt is there. why i was so excited to have you on today. obviously this is your home. a very specific narrative. but also because you have an international cosmopolitan status that allows you to do the kind of work that a ben affleck might be doing, but to do it in a face and body that is representative of the very space where you are doing your activism. >> wow. thank you so much. for me, it -- about becomes personal. not just like i want to give
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back what is organization? i want to work with. i have witnessed it, fleeing my hometown, wow, where i was raised with my mother and my father and my eight brothers, going towards abortion, walking for 2 1/2 weeks and coming back after six months and looking at my school all burned up, and people cooking and i couldn't understand at age eight, but i'm so grateful for my parents to always shield me from that, but only as much as they can even getting into that flight, like i remember it, i realized there were too many of us. and they are are you like the wek army. >> right. >> but to cut the story short, the -- the south sudanese people have been through so much,
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especial the young men, there has been so much flood shed so when the independence came, i couldn't actually grasp that it was there. and even in london or the u.s., it -- not even close to 100% of people will vote. so all of that bickering, you are this tribe, the bo landa, and i grew up. if you look, we're all sudanese. even the dinka. we have dinka you know, and we all look alike. i even look like, you know, from west africa. so i'm like what are we talking about? >> we are all the same people. >> really emotional, and i think we have an infrastructure, and for sure, the only way we'll move forward is with the youth. they are 50% of the nation if we don't teach them what's right so
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they don't repeat the atrocities that others have done around, even though people can try and put you against each other, there's this story and that and then the correct and that cannot lie. and i am so forever grateful that the u.n. stuck there and they don't have a lot of funding. they are literally the biggest funders at the moment. but going into the ground, but i talk from sudden sudan, the culture, everything, my nephew that grew up in london, he st y studied, majored in technology and going to open up his own business. >> exactly what we'll come back to. >> my brother, agriculture. >> i want to talk about this. this notion as you have given us, congressman, of the promise of investment. which countries are beginning see the continent of africa for a space for investment and the
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today, hi v aids activists, researchers and doctors are mighting for the 19th sxwernt as a conference in washington, d.c. much will we devoted to the lock us point of the epidemic, subsaharan africa. because of the 33 million living with aids around the globe, 22.5 million live in subsaharan africa. much of the fron assistance is
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focused on alleviating the reach of the hiv krids. meanwhile, the chinese government says it will invest a staggering $20 billion in the african continent for agricultural developments and infrastructure projects. signifying developmental dominance in the region. here with me is south sudanese supermodel al electric wek, gregory meeks, mark quarterman and michael ralph. mark, this distinction as we look at how other nations spend money on the continent, $20 billion from infrastructure in profit no, human rights strings attached. on the other hand, it is was about medical care. >> this 20 billion is a three-year program, doubled their last program. china trade hit a record $166 billion last year. and china long since passed the u.s. as a major trading partner
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for africa. but there are criticisms, needless to say, of china's work in africa that they are investing without regard to human rights and in some ways support supported regimes that abuse human rights. some look at it as a model of development, where you can grow economically, c demockratizing. >> egypt, libya, others that dominate our news cycle, we think of them as mideast regimes and think of themselves of that way geopolitically. partly of the african continent. >> we're talking about subsaharan africa. and chinese focus on natural resources. >> and to extract. >> and much of the criticism,
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most recently from jacob zuma has been that china's relations with africa are not different from european relations in the past. >> colonial. >> exactly. where they extract natural resources, oil, member rmineral, et cetera, and send in inexpensive manufactured goods. by seconding out natural resources, africans aren't able to gain the value of those resources by further developing them. >> turning oil into gas. >> or minerals into electronics goods. >> congressman meeks, perhaps u.s. business and u.s. policy can say, okay, yes, of course, we need humanitarian work, and refuse maniy crisis and the health issues, and hiv/aids, and let's develop a model for business investment that allows for your constituents in new
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york. and i want to do something on the continent that's in addition to the charity. >> absolutely. that will cause the nations of africa to continue to grow. we need to have the kind of investment in africa that will create jobs for africans. what's taking place when you take a look at china, masses of chinese workers with them, so africans not being employed. it's important for, example, we just had a bill pass out of senate committee and think we'll have it on the floor. and african growth and opportunity act, we have american businesses doing businesses in various countries, creating jobs for africans and teaching them so they can grow and become manufacturers of their own products and keep the wealth within their own nations and also tremendously important, i talked to the african development bank so they can talk about infraafrica trade. too often, we had before the
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border squabbles and because you didn't want bure borders because of the fights, if we could train across the borders, we look at the great progress, for example, and look at south sudan, and rwanda, full of crises, driving businesses starting to take hold in rwanda, and looking now, they are land locks. and suppose you had a railroad taking goods and services from all over. uganda, kenya, they will become very economically independent and also that would cause the own governmental structures. and i'm looking forward to having relationships. and those kinds of infrastructure, and it's focused on the benefits of the people and utilizing the richness of africa to help educate africans
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on how to help themselves. >> only one more. i want to give you the last word. one word that african-americans should know -- one thing we think we know that we don't, what is the one thing we should know? >> i mean, i don't think this just african-american. i think just people in general, the people from south sudan, not just because i come from south sudan, they are very dignified people, refugees, not looking forehandouts. they want to be self-sufficient, just like you and i. if anything, they contribute more to the community. and i think it's very sad that the whole oil situation with the north, because i'm not into politics, but i believe politics has a lot of decision making, and the fact that the youth are so persevering and so full of joy.
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i saw myself in them. and i wasn't -- it wasn't too long ago that i was alek wek, 14 years old, landing in london, before i was discovered in a park to become a model and gape a voice in fashion. i agree 100% in some way we have a social responsibility to give back. whether we like it or not, we have been given. >> i thank you for using your role and your cosmopolitan existence to give a voice to the continent. you will stick around with us, michael. thank you to alek and congressman meeks and mark quarterman. we'll stop by harlem, where everyone knows the name silva. that is next. ♪
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she was 86 years old. her name sake restaurant was a must stop bringing in political figures of all kind. she was classic southern soul food cuisine. she will be missed. her passing gives us pause, and an opportunity to take note of a change happening in the restaurants around the country. black executive chefs are on the rise, and they are serving fare well beyond the traditional southern soul food. recently, i stopped in on milton borgeois. his menu riddled with fare like pink snapper, feta, octopus and other magnificent med tran yan cuisine with a twist. is he afro-brazilian and breaking down staro types. your place is pretty unique for a chef of color.
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>> it is. and pretty unique for a chef of color i think almost anywhere in the city. it's very hard to see today. black chefs doing this kind of food. >> it feels like that is in part because our experience of wanting to dine out is wanting to consume not just a food, not just a meal, but a whole culture. but an authenticity. how can you authentically make this kin of food? >> i'm from rio, i grew up by the beach, and very similar approach to the med trannian life. eating a lot of fish, and simple preparations. i used the approach that they had towards cuisine to make my own. >> tell me about that. what difference does it make to be a black chef? >> to be an example for black chefs today, which and not just black chefs, for immigrants and blacks and chefs period, because
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i think now with the whole media approach and how celebrity chefs are, it's like really people really look at that and like, wow, i want to -- i want to be that as well. i want to get to that point. >> how -- how do we get to think about breaking through? not just the team in general, but there is racial and gender diversity of all levels of the team? >> if you want to be successful and to grow, to work hard, do your job, put your head down, one day it will pay off. i feel like i'm an example. i came from brazil about 11 years ago. i didn't speak any english. i started working as a dish washer and started making my way up. >> but that's pretty extraordinary, the idea that you went in 11 years from being an
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immigrant dish washer to not speaking the language to having your own restaurant to the upper east side. >> there were days i thought about not doing it anymore, because it was really hard, and you work for long hours. you don't make no money. >> you stand on your feet the whole time. >> you stand on your feet, you get yelled at. i'm thankful for the position i am in now. thankful for the people i met on my journey and landed me here, and very glad i was able to break through. >> when we come back, cheffing it up with a little nerdland spice. [ male announcer ] hey, isn't that the girl who tore out your still beating heart? [ bowling pins ] ok, how's this gonna play? mi amore. [ chicken clucking ] [ male announcer ] bit needy, g. ok don't sweat it. just do your thing. hey! hey! [ male announcer ] definitely a little bit epic. stride. cleaning better doesn't have to take longer. i'm done.
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the list of short lists of positions available to black laborers, shut out of all but the lowest paid and least desirable jobs. working in a kitchen was a means of survival. thanks to the loeshing efforts of the american culinary federation, they officially upgraded chef from service occupation to professional and managerial category. ameri america's career cooks finally arrived. unfortunately, the black workers long among their ranks didn't arrive with them. today, 60% of chefs and head cooks are white. 18% are latino, and 15% are asian. and only 9% of professional chefs in the u.s. are black. here with me to talk about mixing things up in the kitchen is i can't believe it, tiffany derry, owner of private social, a restaurant in dallas, texas and a former contestant with the
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tv show "top chef," and serena johnson, 2011-2012 chefs move recipient. graduating from the international culinary center next month. and charlotte justify lynn to the offduty section of the "wall street journal," and author of "skirt steak" and assistant professor of social and cultural analysis. thank you for being here. >> i'm a little beside myself you are here. a little starstruck. i want to ask you, is the pathway different for chefs of color, particularly women of color? >> i think they there definitely is i started 15 years ago. my first job. women weren't allowed in the kitchen, and i couldn't start in the kitchen, i started as a server. as you look at it, even when i look at my own kitchen, only two women, but it's just a little different. a little different. struggle is different from i would say men and i would say african-americans, just having
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have it a little different in the workplace. >> serena, we told you a story once before, you are a scholarship award winner from a john belch foundation. you were living and working in new orleans and now are finishing up at the international culinary institute. tell me about your food journey which might feel a little like quite a journey, in fact. >> my food journey basically started in fast food. similar to chef overhill. i started in mcdonald's, one of the big fast food places and gradually worked my way up to high-end places and started as a struggle. and not many women in the kitchen and not many black women in the kitchen, especially since i had to work extra hard to make my ranks up to that. >> every chef i talked to uses the phrase hard work over and over and over again. i hear about the hours and standing on your feet and getting yelled and screamed at
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in the kitchen is this part of why we see a less diverse in terms of ender and race executive kitchen? >> i think it's possible, but i think when we talk about what kinds of kitchens we're looking at or seeing, i think culturally, we tend to talk about a similar type of kitchen, which comes out of a fresh or european tradition. a really specific way of structuring a workplace and so long, it was considered the benchmark. we borrowed it. >> a brigade. exactly. >> wheat interesting, as diners, we have shown that we're not that interested in eating that style of food or even that necessarily level of formal, you know, cuisine and experience, but still holding that structure up as the example. and within that structure, yeah, yelling is completely par for the course. it's not welcoming to women.
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when f you go back to france, women were not allowed in professional kitchens, women weren't allowed in professional spaces, period. so there's that kind of -- i don't know a lot of smaller restaurants that are chef owned or in general less formal restaurants you will necessarily see that kin of behavior. but i do think if that's the stereotype are you looking at, it's not necessarily going to be fun. >> if you listen to what kind of food we're interested in in consuming as diners, it feels like there is authenticity piece that becomes part of the value of a restaurant when you can say, one of the things i loved about -- how you present on camera which is just like i'm making fine food, all deeply rooted in a particular authentic tradition. >> i call it soul food. i don't necessarily mean food from the south. i mean things you connect to. and i think in all cultures there, is something that is a little bit southern, a little
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south. so you -- it hits a nerve. part of a home cooked food. and i tried to present that, but maybe in a different way. maybe not necessarily just collards greens and pigs feet, maybe smothered collard greens in a dumpling. maybe it's not presented as it used to be. >> is this part of what we're looking for, not just looking for good food or great food, but cultural experience as part of it? >> the transformation, the idea of soul food, partly why some black chefs rejected that. he was a hip-hop chef? why? i'm black and young. and frank ocean who doesn't necessarily want to be called an r & b singer. a way the label can mean you are doing something different on racially distinctive when there are ways that these artists are being as creative as anyone else. i want to say something about the idea of a black chef. a long history to the idea of
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the black chef in the u.s. and even to the idea of gourmet or french cuisine. highly esteemed black chefs in the u.s. as early as the 18th century. and black sam, who had a tavern in manhattan. george washington, so successful as a chef. not just as a good cook. but french cuisine, he been -- >> james hemmings, right, the brother of sally hemmings, who, of course, was the second wife as i like to call of thomas jefferson. james hemmings is the reason we have french fries in america. he was there for the french revolution and brought them back. >> event french chefs inspired from cuisine from the french caribbean and africa. you could argue that african cuisine and french cuisine and later american case evcuisine ts element to french cuisine. later on picked up by blacks.
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>> not just always this don't feedback. >> nowhere more so than the south. i'm thinking about new orleans. the food we eat is always french and caribbean and southern, all together on a single plate. are you coming home to new orleans when you are done here? >> of course i am. >> yes. >> good. >> and are you planning to work in a fine dining establishment when you come home? >> you know what? when they first asked me that question, starting off, i would say, yes, fine dining, i thought that's what you had to do. but now being in it, i'm like i want to learn everything of it, but when i come back, i want to do like something like a doogie chase. i want my own thing. i want to cook my own food, i want to make people happy. if i had a little diner with a couple regulars every day, that would make me happy. i don't need magazines or people coming in, eating my food to give me five stars for me to feel happy. >> i love that up next, we'll
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like to say. when you started talking about yelling, i'm like -- >> what difference does it make? here are you in the body that you're in with the life experiences that you have, and you are in charge of the team that is undoubtedly diverse. do you experience a difference in your role as a leader in the kitchen? >> we have different roles and in some ways, especially for women, you tend to be a mother figure. a lot of these guys have been with me very long. so they rely -- is was at the hospital at 2:00 in the morning with another guy because he was getting ready to have a body. in the restaurant, you are stern, make sure the food is right. making sure, but there has to be a balance. and we were talking about turnover. those are the things you have to balance. how do i keep everyone happy and satisfied, because the turnover rate in a restaurant is crazy. how do i cope with the 12 to 135 hours, six days a week?
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how do you do all of these things and stay at the torch your game? it stay takes a team. i cannot do what i do without my team. >> it's not just a capacity to make wonderful food, but capacity to manage and lead, do those wonderful things. we were looking into numbers around the restaurant industry and it looks like in 2008, bottomed out. we see this kind of interesting 1% or 9% shift where things like the bennigan's restaurants and kind of what the 99%ers eat at has had a tough time. but a lot of fine establishment dining is doing terrifically. a big increase. is that why folks say this is where there is jobs so i'll get training to go this direction? >> there is the idea of pedi grow that prevails where if you have worked for a specific chef, who has a specific reputation, that will help launch your career, which makes sense,
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right? i think that's part of it. i also think that if you are looking at -- if you are going to be a chef, looking at who is out there, you can aspire to, who are you hearing about mostly? you are hearing about the fine dining chefs. even those who checked out of fine dining, that's kind of where they started. that's a lot of why people will opt to do that. there's also just the idea of maybe i'm going to go get that education first and i can always mess it up later, but at least i had it. you know. >> i've got that on my wall. interesting interest john belch's foundation, the chef's move. i want to take a look at their mission statement, right? part of what he is suggesting, we need to take the serena johnsons of the word. the mission of chefs move is to give new orleanians with the drive and ability the opportunity to train in a world class setting, expand their horizons and return to new orleans to be become a needer in
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the new orleans culinary scene. have you belsch to walk you through the world is that the way we'll make a more diverse group of people, literally for white men john besch to say we'll have a more diverse kitchen? >> i think it's a start. nobody knew me before this show, and i couldn't have went as far as did i because of this. u.s. a b it's a big help to me. it's a big step. before then, i mean, unless you had to scramble to get money to pay for tuition, black people really weren't going to any kind of school. culinary school, anything. it's like with this opportunity, this was the only reason i was going to go to school. i never had plans to go to school. i loved to cook. didn't have the money, didn't have the means and just was going to continue to work hard until maybe somebody saw it, rise up at long the ranks.
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this scholarship was actually my claim to fame to get to where i was right now. >> but then you did the work, which is always the other piece. >> that's always the other half. exactly. >> yes, the opportunity, but then also you did work. i will give you a quick word on this. is there something that -- should we care as diners. should we care who is our executive chef? make our choices in part financially, based on these kind of issues and concerns? >> it's important to have a complicated idea who is the chef? on the one hand, the idea makes sense. a great chef can train a chef. and i think there are a lot of parallels with serana's story, like who is your mentor, adviser, but i also think that sometimes you can be relatively talented and not have had that pedigree. >> exactly. >> and get connected to the networks and top chef, every season, a handful of chefs who are talented like tiffany and
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most have training and pedigree, but a few people don't, but very talented. it goes to show you you don't need the need that pedigree but when you have the chance to share, it is great for education as a whole. give opportunity and see how well they work. >> more in just a minute. first, time for a preview with alex witt. stories everyone this morning, emergencying on what's happening to james holmes in prison and whether he is still talking to police. we are also hearing some compelling tales of heroism from the century 16 theater. at least three people died shielding their loved ones from the killer's bullets. you are going to hear who some of these folks were. this is a bizarre story with no definitive answers. is katherine jackson, the mother of michael jackson, missing? america, what are you thinking about on this july day in the year 2012? there is a new survey that
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suggests it is not what you might imagine. there is a tees for you, melissa. back to you. >> thank you, alex and thanks to chef tiffany daley and chef serena johnson, who we can't wait to have back home and to charlotte drukman who has a fabulous book coming out and michael ralph, my friend and colleague at nyu. up next, five minutes in two. lashblast 24hr with anti smudge power will last through all your drama. who knew lashes this big could last this long. lashblast 24hr from covergirl. and on small business saturday bothey remind a nations of the benefits of shopping small. on just one day, 100 million of us joined a movement...
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enough to join us on the weekend, we wanted to leave you with a little look at all the fun we have had so far. good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry, last week i asked if the name trayvon martin meant anything to you. the question is -- are there daddy issues at play. who did he think he was talking to? what is it that citizens united did? >> how did this potentially impact the meaning of privacy. if the number of women were in power was greater or equal to that of men -- >> let's talk about president obama's mama and governor romney's mommy. if you thought how nerdy nerdy could be was as nerdy as we did before, you don't know it until you see how much we can do with jelly beans and a little arithmetic. >> the romney sons, as you can see here, have a very nice, clean-cut image. >> there is more than we can
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possibly fit. first lady's fan. these jelly beans can do whatever they want. >> make that 58,000. to say i'm excited for my next interview just might be the understatement of the year. >> when your mother tells you, you can't wear an afro. >> it is not about vaginas versus penises. >> from a legal perspective, the answer is not necessarily -- >> a story of all american families. >> jobs, jobs, jobs. >> they must define you from your concept of character. >> it is a self-esteem issue because i am an example. >> there are so many young black ballerinas that have so much potential. >> the most exhilerating thing i have done. >> beyonce, call me. in three weeks, we will be coming back, refreshed, renewed, more ready for fun and
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good day everyone. welcome to weekends with alex witt. a tragedy on the scale of colorado takes days and weeks, even months, to thin from a nation's bloodstream. for those with a direct connection to the killings, it takes forever. if a measure of relief can be gained, those still early in the process, perhaps we might see that in a matter of hours when president obama arrives in the city to share the country's grief and console his fellow citizens later today. that will play out and we will, of course, bring it to you. that is just one story line on a day we have learned new and critical details on what happened just after midnight on a friday in a crowded theater in
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a suburban american city. within the hour, we heard from the aurora police chief and he described how his officers identified james holmes as the suspect and not a s.w.a.t. officer despite all of his ballistic gear. >> there was one particular piece of equipment that he had on him that was out of place. i am so proud of my officers that they spotted that right away and chal llenged him. in that chaos, it is quite reasonable that an officer might have confused him for a s.w.a.t. officer or a heavily armed officer responding to the scene. so kudos to my two cops who grabbed this guy and that sharp observation that they made immediately that led them to suspect him as being a suspect. >> there is more we are learning about the 24-year-old suspected of mass murder. he will appear in court tomorrow morning for the first time and the sheriff says holmes is isolated fm other inmates. reports suggest he is now also refusing to talk with police.